##VIDEO ID:keQDgLB6-b4## good evening uh and welcome to the October 2nd 2024 Yarmouth planning board meeting I am Joan Crowley the chair uh this is to formally advise that is required by Massachusetts General Law chapter 38 paragraphs 18 to 25 and pursuant at chapter 20 of the acts of 2021 and an act relative to extending certain state of emergency accommodations signed into law on June 16th 2021 the armouth planning board will hold a public hearing and meeting on October 2nd 2024 at 5:30 p.m. public is welcome to attend in person this evening or via alternative Public Access provided in the notice of meeting available on the town of Yarmouth website I'll begin by taking roll call Susan br will Rubenstein here Jim Sabin Peter Slovak Ken Smith here Joan Crowley here seeing that we have a quorum present I will now call the meeting to order and I would ask you that you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance flag United States thank you the first item on our agenda this evening uh is a a public hearing uh with regard to planning board zoning articles for the special town meeting in November I would now like to open this public hearing of the planning board regarding the zoning articles that we will be presenting on November 19th 2024 I note the time is 535 following the protocol for public hearings I'll first read into the record uh the public hearing notice that was published in the Cape Cod Times on September 17th and the 24th public hearing notice published in the cap cut times on September 20 September 17th 2024 and September 24th 2024 public hearing notice Yarmouth planning board the Yarmouth planning board will hold a public hearing on Wednesday October 2 2024 at 5:30 p.m. in the hearing room of the Yarmouth Town Offices 1146 Route 28 South armouth mass 02664 and via remote access or via telephone um and uh by entering uh web webinar ID uh to consider the following proposals to amend the Y yarmi zoning bylaw number one amend zoning bylaw section 412 affordable housing to revise the methodology used to determine the amount of the fee to be paid in lie of creating affordable housing units article number two amend section 45.5 44.5 seasonal employee housing at motel's hotels to limit the number of rooms that can be utilized for seasonal employee housing at motels hotels to a maximum of 15% in the hotel motel overlay District 2 hmod 2 zoning District along South Southshore Drive and to amend section 500 definitions to clarify the definition for transient at motels or hotels and at extended stay hotels copies of the complete proposed text for the amendments are available at the planning division Yarmouth toown offices 1146 throughoute 28 South Yarmouth Mass 02664 during business hours 8:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Monday through Friday and on the town of Yarmouth website under the planning division any person interested in or wishing to be heard regarding these proposals to amend the zoning bylaw should appear at the time and place designated written comments will be accepted and should be directed to the planning board care of Kathy Williams Town planner at K Williams yarmouth.ma us no later than October 1st 2024 at 5: PM Yarmouth planning board Joan Crowley chair so let me begin uh first by thanking the planning board members um and uh Town staff in particular Mary wagan and Kathy Williams who have worked on developing these proposed amendments over the course of the past several months I would also like to thank you the residents of Yarmouth who are here who initiated the development of article two relating to seasonal employee housing and to have joined us at various meetings to finalize the recommended language we welcome and appreciate your engagement with us um on this on this important um Amendment uh T the the order of the meeting Kathy's going to present um the proposed amendments we will then have um public comments or questions uh from those of you who are here who are joining us remotely uh Kathy if there are any written comments uh we didn't receive any I didn't think so and then any comments or questions from the planning board and then we will close the public hearing to continue our deliberations um on whether or not to recommend these two articles to special town meeting so let us begin kth why don't you why don't you start us off good evening everyone I think everyone here is very familiar with what we're going to be talking about tonight but U maybe Somebody's Watching at home and we can kind of go over it this is just identifying the the different planning board members um but we do have the one vacancy so if anyone's interested they can fill out a talent Bank form on the town website uh and see if maybe the planning board's the right uh right fit for you so the first uh article that we're talking about is actually article zoning article one which is related to affordable housing and the purpose of this is to basically modify the methodology that we're using to calculate the fee that would be paid in lie of creating affordable housing units within your own development and really to have it correlate to median home prices rather than median income which will be better reflective of what it actually costs to create uh an affordable housing unit so just a little bit of background um our zoning bylaw uh includes affordable units being required when you have five or more housing units being developed or five lot residential lots being created we have three different ways in which you can meet this requirement with regard to Affordable units you can provide it onsite so just develop an affordable unit within the basis of your um property and your in your project or you can do it offsite so if you have another uh property offsite that's in good condition and could be used is a a very good affordable unit you could have that off-site housing unit be designated or the third option is um paying a fee uh in Li of creating it to the Yarmouth affordable housing trust who then pulls all this money together uh and helps to create and preserve affordable units uh this flexibility is really important um because it helps to support overall development of housing we don't want affordable housing to deter someone from creating a development so if you have one affordable unit and you're not familiar with the different require requirements which are are rather detailed then maybe you just say okay it's easier for me to pay a fee uh in order to to address this zoning requirement and as I noted before the current formula is tied to median home income and there's one set fee for all different housing types so whether it's a single family home it's a duplex or it's uh in a multif family it's all the fee would be the same so what we're proposing to do is because we've had such a shift in market conditions U which has changed significantly since this formula was originally created back in 2013 where this uh median home prices have significantly outpaced median income so the new formula really calculates the difference between what's an actual median home price in our area uh and the price set for an actual affordable unit so it's the difference between those those two uh and then there are would be separate fees set for a single family home which is obviously more expensive so if your development has a single family home we expect you to pay a fee related to the single family home calculation but if you have a a duplex or multif family or some type of condominium unit then that would be a different fee um the planning board included uh calculating the fee annually so it will be set for the following 12- month period this really helps developers know the costs when they're working on their development and their U performer to to have an unnown unnown num is going to be helpful to them and so this just gives a little brief little example of the existing formula uh is basically set at 125% of the current median uh income which for fiscal year 24 was $122,700 so that would require a fee of $153,300 price in August was 565,000 the affordable price is 280,000 so the difference would be a fee of $285,000 and then doing it for duplexes and multif family median condo prices in um in Yarmouth was $424,900 um the me the affordable price for condominium was 250 so that fee would be $174,900 so you can see the difference on the new formula um be more for condos and and quite a bit more for single family homes go if I could interrupt I'd just like to make a comment that Mr Sabin has has arrived at uh 543 I didn't know whether you wanted do questions and comments after each article or you just would like me to go through the whole presentation why don't we do what after after each article any any uh questions from the public uh um and if not uh questions or comments from the board we've been working on this for a while um so Susan just a clarification Kathy the development on 6a the the Davenport development that will be I assume that calculation will be made under the old formula not the new formula correct it would be the old formula and they've actually paid that okay also Madam chair may ask question what is the when do we decide when the annual reset is is it based on when hlc does hlc set something based on the state's fiscal year but the the uh warrant group has a different calendar how do we Square those two the warrant groups monthly that's right Adam chair Warren group does set pricing monthly based on region so every month they came out with new market valuation where the market's at for that particular month I do believe when we were discussing this that it was going to be evaluation was going to be done on a specific time frame each year and I'd make I'd like to make sure that's in there because Mark condition change dramatically depending on especially right now where the markets are so volatile that the price fluctuation is huge I I once a year on an annual basis is that purposely vague my understanding was that Mary wagan indicated that when HUD set I'm sorry when the housing and livable communities sets their affordable price was would be when we would set ours and sometimes it's not exactly they don't get to it exactly a certain time every single year it's typically HUD typically sets there's q1 for the balance of the year so I would like to see us maybe if we at least have that stipulation in there because it does it will deter some developers if they can't calculate where their payments are going to be and what they're going to be so that's Q one of the feder the federal fiscal year St state fisc state okay q1 State fiscal September that's right I can certainly talk to Mary about that and and nail it down okay thank you madam chair let I'm hoping I'm not bringing this up in order to make any material changes to the to this amendment because that would that wouldn't be great yeah I don't think oh no it's not too late actually no I don't think that's too material I mean like you say if it's something that Mary says yeah it's always done in the blankety blank quar we can just put that okay make sure that that's available the timing and the exactly when these things can happen will be available to I do think it's important toel in the amendment right exactly okay thank you I just wanted to talk that through because I know it's was too different once a year are they prohibited from adjusting more than once a year if something crazy goes with the m is it still only once a year who day the the Warren group that we're going to tie our decision to they they do it all the time they do it every month they do it 12 times a year the Warren group does it 12 times a year H does it does it once a year at least only sets it once but War group you know they send out evaluation reports by county in Massachusetts in other regions every what's that yesterday they would have set one out yesterday I assume Jim may be able to answer that better than I can but I know it I know they do it once a month month she anytime within that there's a little little question there we just need to find out from Mary when she feels the affordable price is set and then we can come up with some language and we can talk about at the next meeting and finalize it because we're going before the sele board on the 29th oh okay well then I don't want to slow the meeting down anymore Madam chair it's good to know now that's good question okay any other comments on article number one okay so article number two is related to seasonal employee housing at uh hotels and motels and it really just sets um limits to hotels and motels located within hm O2 uh zoning District which is all along Southshore Drive to a maximum of 15% of their rooms being used for seasonal employees and then again as it's mentioned in the uh public hearing notice we have some clarifications with regard to the definition so a little bit of background obviously housing our temporary seasonal workers is very important because we need to support our tourism economy um our existing bylaw does allow eligible motels and hotels to use up to 15% of their rooms to house their seasonal employees or seasonal employees of other Yarmouth businesses uh from April 1st to October 31st um and it's done through an annual permit with the Building Commissioner uh if they meet all of the operational standards that are outlined within the zoning bylaw and these include things like you got to meet all your state local septic Health codes um Provisions for kitchen facilities and then also having an on-site Proctor so there's someone on site uh watching over this uh situation and if all operational standards including the 15% limit are not met then an applicant could apply to the zoning board of appeals uh for a special permit for onee special permit and some some hotels along Route 28 have done that and successfully received that special permit and this is just to give you an idea I think most of us know where Southshore Drive is but this is Parker's River this is Bass River Nantucket Sound and this is where we have all of our kind of our more Premier uh hotel properties along along here so anything that's in that purple color is U one of the properties that's located in the hmod to so the proposed changes are really they were initiated by requests from some residents uh who Abed the resid neighborhood to the north and it just prohibits um hm O2 properties from applying to zba to use more than 15% of their rooms for seasonal employees so they could still maintain the 15% but they couldn't apply for more and they also retained their right to seek relief for any of the other operational standards that are in the in that section of the bylaw and then with regard to the pro proposed changes to the definitions there's these are really just minor clarifications I think to help uh with enforcement related to the transient definition for motels and hotels and Extended Stay it really clarified that limitations on continuous occupancy are at a single motel or hotel property it's not a room by room situations it's property uh related and then specifically states that the transient definition does not apply to some of these other sections of the zoning bylaw including on-site property managers and also doesn't apply to seasonal employee housing and motels hotels because there's a separate definition for that that's simp thank you uh any comments or questions from the public any comments questions concerns uh by the board uh Mr Savin um I've been gone for the last couple weeks so I apologize um have we got any feedback from any of the hotels Etc that are going to be affected by this or have we got any feedback from the Chamber of Commerce with regard to this same question I sent a notice to uh Mary vbon um when we had the meeting before um with with the residents and I also sent another one um just to asking her to notify the the particular property owners here um I think the vast majority of these Property Owners aren't really interested more than 15% as I mentioned there are Premier hotels and they want to rent the rooms to guests and make their money um and then some of the other places like the Village Green which would kind of instigated some of the the concerns from the neighbor um they're staying within their 15% they applied for an annual permit from The Building Commissioner and they're less than their 15% so it doesn't seem like there's any real need I I checked all these own they're the only ones in the hmod to that even are using any of it so I don't I think most of these Hotel owners are probably comfortable with it because they're renting their rooms out to guests my next question would be why do we have the skipper restaurant listed as it was located in the hmod 2 back in 2008 or whenever the um HMO D2 was created there's no particular reason except to say that I think it's I think the difference is it's it's a business entity within that underlying residential zoning District it's the only one in the district is the only restaurant within the district only that kind of business I did point out to Kathy just for clarification the the property self of sell sell Shore Drive self of Red Jacket are not not part of the red jacket property so they're the only EOS right they're they're well not part of EOS they're residentially and privately owned and they're the only privately owned homes along that strip that are part of this overlay right tiny bit that strip right there that's correct thanks right above the word beach house yeah that's right any other comments the only thing you you did uh Kathy you did mention that but did Mary vilon express any concerns at all initially she had asked me to investigate and see who's actually doing it and that's when I identified that it was just the Village Green and I relay that information to her okay anything else from M of Miss do we think we've closed all of the loopholes this has been like death of a thousand slashes every every three months we're doing an amendment do you think we got them all is this the do you think there'll be some other more creative minds to find other loopholes they did a great job identifying the loophole and of course supplying the solution can you think of anything else that may be lurking that we would have to come back and summer employees all over again I think there you know some of the um interviews that we've been having with regard to local comprehensive plan is that there does seem to be some concerns that we may not have enough seasonal employee housing I think we need to identify um right exactly what's the Gap that we're really talking about um and what has been satisfactorily addressed with the two motels that are are using this this B I mean certainly I think along with 28 we've given them the leeway to apply for yeah exactly so if the if we need more the motels can already always apply for more but yes it's it's individual Property Owners you know uh and I think some of them the ones that are doing it have really learned a lot of lessons over the years and have put in additional and more and more protocols and CS of conduct and uh you know security and the different types of things in order to make sure that this is a good strong operation for them and their that they ask for right and just want to does do you think this takes care of your problem it's okay it alls in the implementation but you've done a great job so let's keep our fingers crossed and hope that someone respects the law okay any any any anything else okay um then if we don't have any other concerns uh Kathy I think i' U ask for a motion to close the public hearing on zoning articles for the November special town meeting so moved second any further discussion uh all in favor I I note the time as 5 55 and so now um our job is to deliberate and make a recommendation um if we have any other uh changes Kathy should we hold off on a vote until next meeting based on what um Mr Smith and Mr Rubenstein we have another meeting we might as well take it and okay see what Mary has to say and get that language downright because I I agree there's probably developers who'd like to know when's it going to change does it change on you know in August and am I two months away or is it going to change you know there's a flag in the ground so they can plan on either side I I'm almost certain we heard Mary talk about that I just forget what she said she did talk about it I don't remember what she said I remember what she said not here to defend herself she's on vacation this week f forg given as long as she's here in two weeks but she had the answer I mean she had an answer I just forget what it was but it was we so it's out there we just need to pull it back in so we will we will uh deliberate we deliberate at our next meeting um if you would like to join us again we would we would welcome your company uh but uh I I don't think um that the change is going to material affect all the work that you've you've helped us with so I want to thank you again for your participation we really appreciate it um but you'll get the notice and and you'll know uh in a couple of weeks how we're going to lock in on um when these things are we're going with board on October 29th where we'll be presenting the zoning uh and they T they may or may not vote I would like to think that they would vote uh to recommend that night sometimes they do they have to because of the timing I mean do they have a special meeting right before they have a special meeting sometime right before but it's usually more um different types of articles in this but hopefully they would vote to recommend it yeah oh it's a select board meeting yes y it's via Zoom too if you want to to to zoom in uh Kathy Kathy would it be inappropriate to um I'm just curious as to whether we could just talk about who might present the article sure um you know we have two articles I'm interested in um people's interest in presenting and then um explaining at time meeting anyone interested Madam chair unfortunately I have a I have a work conflict and I will not be able to attend I was really trying to get out of it but I can't November 19th do I have that right yes so sorry I'm not eligible to I'll do one I did I I did it last time I don't know if anyone wants to take advantage of which one would you would you be interested I'm not really interested in doing either but I will do one I think we I think think Susan and Peter Slovak should fight it out since Peter's not here I'm kidding I why don't you do seasonal why don't you do seasonal and one of my favorites okay good and we'll wait till Peter comes back next time and he'll learn to not miss well um there there are some intricacies about when things happen with these Warren reports and I I would like someone who's familiar with what all that means to present so among the gentlemen who are appraisers and real estate people um I would appreciate you thinking about it for our next meeting I'll be doing yours including Mr so be there in case I screw up it's a three-way tie for who gets to do it um I I also wanted to recognize I I don't know know that we did Kathy we did have one um Ellen um Ellen was here Ellen thank you for joining us we appreciate your participation thank you she said her thank you all right so moving on to the next item on our agenda committee assignments I forgot thanks again that note the place empties right out how about that don't forget we have a vacancy yeah that's right now we have a vacancy thank you thank you committee assignments at our last meeting uh we discussed uh annual appointments to CPC cedc CBC you know the alphabet soup of committees that were all assigned to um at our last meeting and um the assignments made by consensus at our last meeting um are listed in the table that Kathy has provided in our packet uh Jim and Susan were not here in in attendance at the meeting so I'd like to try to finalize the appoint we need to finalize the appointments this evening uh so we have um community housing committee uh that Jim uh currently is on um and I'd like to Jim I know you're not interested because you're picking up um on design review and we we do appreciate that because that's that's a fair amount of um time uh so any anyone um on interested in community housing um T can you share with us the amount of time it's a monthly meeting no it's more than monthly but the biggest problem is they meet like at three o'clock in the afternoon that's what day of the week to what day Mondays I believe it's Mondays Monday I thought they only met once month I didn't realize they were meeting because well sometimes they meet more often because of the you know the subject matter that's been going on typically it's just the and it's just that you not I should know this but Kathy you have the acronym for the affordable housing trust we're not on that are we we are as part of it oh we are but we're not we're not we're supposed to be on the two but Mary wagan had asked me not to because she had somebody who was in her back pocket well I think that we're not required to these oh okay that that's what I need that's one of the things that I've been told including myself we need to talk into our mics more yes sorry is madam chair I believe at one point wasn't Brad Brad was doing that oh yes so I think that's why we had a representative for such a long time and we never really had to worry about it yeah okay but it's not required it's to my understanding it's not required no but C CHC is required yes correct okay okay as chair I guess uh this is one of my jobs to I'll I'll pick up on that um to help out uh housing is a hot subject so um well would this be the right committee for the conversations that are going to happen about the Forest Road property or is that completely out of that that's not what they're going to be chatting about you mean the Housing Authority either oneing Authority separate separate no no no I meant there's obviously something is going to happen to the big property on Forest Road at some point at some point so which committee will that come up under it won't probably will go to the zoning board go to Just none of these just in the interest of you know again for all the people that watch in the future because again this is something that we're hearing more and more people come to select board meetings and ask about and so I just wanted it to be out there that it's not the planning board it's not community housing committee it's not the affordable housing trust it is our friends at the zba most likely right through a comprehensive permit through a chapter 40b how I assume that they would do it there's no other way to do it because it's not zoned for I apologize it's slightly tangential but I thought in the in the sense of like where are the big issues and where do they live in our town and this one apparently will not live in any of those places except for the zba was it the Alexandria Housing Authority well who actually what is that entity that's not on here the arm Housing Authority is a state agency State AG it is a state agency which I think understood that's important we need to clarify the more we can communicate that clearly I think the better the town has no authority over it at all except through the GBA got it thank you madam chair can I just ask you Joanne is this you covering until we get a new member I'll do it for the year and and until if we get a new member member will when we get a new member um we can look again at re some maybe some reallocation um but I would like to stay on CPC for this cycle because we've already started it we've already started it so so then we have um Drive-In sight Susan which you are on now which is continuing right I mean that's not going away is it we'll be we'll be alive for a while correct he keeps wanting to disband it and I won't let him know we didn't know who to pass it off to so right now the I think the C was we were going to stay in existence for I think we need to continue with a couple items one of them is setting up a a use policy we only have an interim use policy when we had no amenities there um there's too many amenities setting a fee it's only a boardwalk no it was Jim yeah yeah setting fees and maybe looking at maybe uh naming rights for some once it's constructed and there's something worth naming like with regard to specific areas not the park itself but specific areas um I think that the disect could be helpful with that so you'll continue Susan Okay and then we have land dis disposition Jim again has it met no we did originally looked at like five different properties but you know through the wisdom of the Town leaders we purchase Town property properties in town and we don't discuss it with the land disposition committee before we purchase it so I'm not sure why we are even in existence but we are would you like to would you like to continue yeah it's no heavy W heavy lifting so when they decide that there's a piece of property that they maybe want to sell or something like that don't they have to go to town meeting to sell but apparently they don't have to go to this committee first Madam chair they don't have to go to the committee first to buy stuff they you know what about to sell it there's six buildable Lots or eight buildable Lots on Higgin skoll road that we purchased they didn't ask the land disposition committee whether we thought it was a good idea or not and they even asked the town meeting and they went no but why are we here then so I don't know the purpose of the land disposition committee any more than anybody else does except that they had a list of properties that the town clerk wanted to try to get money for so we had to look at those and say yeah we should sell this and no we shouldn't sell this and there were like five or six properties and that was two years ago so all right so you'll continue thank you I appreciate that doing nothing I like it that's not paid job he's ever had right Kathy do we need a motion to uh I can just say consens by consensus um the allocation of committee members to committee assignments planning board members to committee assignments um as we've discussed so Ken Smith will be on capital budget Peter Slovak will continue on community Economic Development I will pick up community housing I will stay on as Community preservation committee Jim Sabin will uh join the design Review Committee drive and site utilization U Susan br will represent us land disposition Jim Sabin will represent us and the Water Resources advisory committee uh will Rubenstein will represent us on that thank you next item on our agenda local comprehensive Plan update Madam chair before we go to that yes I'm not sure if it's appropriate to talk about this now or at um individual comment section of this meeting but um last night I went to the pl the board of selectman and I was kind of treated like Camala Harris does and not comment on anything my question to them was if we have a large piece of property in town that we're planning to redevelop and we're putting together a planning committee why is it that there's no member of the planning board on this committee and I just got stone-faced looks of how dare you even ask us such a question um and I think maybe we should be sending a letter to the board of selectman saying how do you have a planning process that you don't include the primary Committee in town for planning you know you I don't even know if the the town planner is even invited to this meetings but they have the finance committee on this on this committee they have a the assistant DPW director a town employee on this committee capital budget committee also has and a member of the capital budget committee and it's related to the LCP Madam chair just but for some reason whoever's I have to think before I speak sometimes whoever came up with this crazy idea thinks that the planning of the largest piece of property in town should not have a member of the planning board on it and I think that we should send a letter to the selectman because they weren't going to answer my question last night that we should ask them come to a meeting with us and explain your your your rationale behind not having a member of the planning board on planning the most significant piece of property this town will ever redevelop it just it's ludic to me it makes absolutely no sense to me I'm sure some members of this committee may this board may agree with me but I I I don't think we're going to get an answer by just me going on and at public uh the public comment section and have them look at me like I'm got three heads and not even give me an answer I expected that maybe they might say something at the end of the night to address the questions but they didn't and I don't think they will unless we actually send them something that says hey what gives here explain to us your rationale behind I mean I was out of out of country so I didn't even get an interview I don't know if you there were no interviews no interviews to even determine you know I mean I'm not looking to get in another committee but um real estate appraisers are professionals at thing called the highest and best use analysis to determine what something is financially feasible physically possible and legally permissible it's what we do every day but they didn't even bother to even talk to me so I'm at a loss as how they're trying to put this committee together without even interviewing people who may have something to to provide as and I'm not I mean all great names of people that are on there that they picked but um it bewilders me as to why um the Geniuses that meet on Tuesday night think that maybe the planning board shouldn't be involved in planning so my question would be would you madam chair or would this board be willing to send a letter to them asking them to explain themselves that's a good question it has come up um time and again Mr Rubenstein has brought it up Mr Smith has brought it up I brought it up Miss BR has brought it up um I I I would like to offered uh a possible approach one um I as chair of the committee could go to the next Board of selectman meeting and ask because I think asking in person personally I think asking in person and being face forward uh is the most direct way and you tried he did it I'm not saying I'm going to be any more effective um but I would like to maybe suggest a two-step approach that we go at it one more time again and see if we get an answer um what I think we're asking for is an additional slot on the committee change the change the charge of the committee so that there is a member of the planning board I mean we we raised an issue and we have we have a suggested solution Madam shair the only the only challenge if I may is that because of the um let me just say unpredictable nature of the meeting schedule of our friends at the select board their next meeting isn't for four weeks so that means four weeks are going to go by before you even get in front of them because again I don't understand how everything works but apparently the day after a holiday is not an eligible day to have a select board meeting which again makes no sense to me you just send out the notices a day or two early but whatever it's not my it's not my purview however I just want to make you aware of that so that's going to be another four weeks and just to throw a little more icing on the cake the only good news is as I've learned uh today uh that committee still hasn't met yet and doesn't even have a date to meet yet so it isn't too late because as we all know this should have been six years ago when this committee started having said all that I just want to make you aware that the next select board meeting is not until the 29th Mr and also as an alternative ra and if if we get shut down on a full seat on the committee one of the things we talked about was maybe having a uh a planning seat but being a non-vote if they don't want any larger than seven I think it's too small I personally think it's too small I think they should expand it to at least nine but and we should be one of them but if they stick to what they've done then I think as plan if they can't give you a reasonable exp the plan should be then what about having a planning board member on the committee but a non- voting member uh and just go to be able to go to the meetings um take notes and whatever and then report back to the that's an alternative to be an official member but non voting did anybody watch the the conversation that happened when they picked the committee I did anybody else did Kathy you watch it okay so Jim just so you know the actual the thing that's going to make you feel even worse is that this committee that was formed the way I understood that the meeting the charge officially is their part of their job is to go to all of the other committees in town and say what do you think we should do with madis so believe it or not Mr Sabin the madis ReUse committee is going to come before for the planning board to have a conversation about what we think uh is our is our is Our advice about what to do about the M mes middle school property and they're going to go to the CBC and they're going to go to the finance committee and they're going to go to Recreation and they're going to go to cedc Madam chair so I'm going to say this respectfully I'm not so sure and again I don't disagree that we shouldn't have been on the committee to begin with I just fear for the person on this planning board that gets assigned to it that I don't know how great a use of your time it's going to be because ultimately the real decision power is going to be from the select board who don't seem to really have as much of a vested interest in this process moving at any speed whatsoever except for the slowest speed not to mention the fact that this property is being paid for by the taxpayers of our town every single month to just basically sit there by the way I might add unless I heard wrong as an uninsured building on a massive piece of property the biggest piece of property in our town sorry madam chair just wanted to summarize some of the things I thought I heard a couple weeks ago I to me I mean if it was so important to have a representative from the planning board on all these committees drive and sight utilization committee the land disposition committee the Water Resources advisory committee I think that's a how we not you put on this and and again I'm not looking for more work to do I'm just trying to understand for the life of me how you have a major project in town and not have the planning department involved just I think any future letter or any future conversation Madam chair that you would like to have in front of the select board should literally start with that point is that there is history and context for the planning board to be involved in multiple aspects of the function of our town and yet in this greatest hour a direct L we are completely ignored sorry I think we've hit this Hammer this nail on the head but I'll defer Mr Smith also who hasn't said anything no thank you I think we've hit the nail right on the head I think we all I believe all feel the exact same way I think at the very least we should get in front of the select board and say look it again this is inappropriate or or uh I mean it's just a suggested approach and then if if if if there is still not a satisfactory answer then we do put it in writing um but I I I think uh you know they the the board of Selectmen need the select board uh does does need to hear loud and clear that I think we all feel very strongly about this as as we point the real question and that's this is the pragmatic part of it will that I appreciate one you can't ask for it and then not step up and do it of course right of course so that's number one of course that my emotional that was my emot both volunteer they and and to make worse when this came up two years ago in informal conversation on this committee I think we assumed we said we said one of us will volunteer and you actually I think informally spoke to someone and said don't forget you know the planning board would be interested in being on the M kees development committee uh because we thought about maybe sending a letter and you said no I'll just mention so it's been two years it's been in the minutes I mean we have talked about this we came a bolt out of the blue and said of put someone on there we've constantly said we're interested in this so if the board is not meeting it's like board is not meeting for a month what we another approach would be write the letter and then show up and then show up if we've got that if we've got that time I like that approach Madam we all should show up yeah I I think we all should show up in all seriousness at that I think that I and in my comments I made sure that they understood that I was speaking on my own behal you say that um we will be on the agenda for the 29 it's perfect we're all there we're there since send the letter now then they know it's coming when we get there with them on the 29th we bring it up there I don't know whether you can bring it up when you're sitting there talking about zoning if it's not on the agenda you're gonna have to stand up have to stand up during the open mic the open mic do that we could do that we be glad to sit around and wait for you at the end of your meeting to have the discussion Madam chair that will be Tuesday the 29th just to be clear Tuesday just wanted to mention that to you and again not withstanding anybody else's pre-existing commitments I certainly will do my very very very best to be there in support of us and you dream I I would like um to make kind of an odd request but I've heard two very passionate voices here about this not that yours wasn't but tonight two very passionate voices about this this subject I want you two to collaborate on what the letter says okay can you work together on that uh please yes of course of course be glad to work with my colleague of course this is not something Kathy can draft no oh because it's coming from you it's coming from us this is not something Kathy can okay oh yeah yeah it's not a staff issu gonna say because Kathy writes really good letters okay all right's not it's like hey come from the not yes ma'am we will do that forth with by our next meeting perhaps we could have a draft oh because we have to get it to them by the 29th well I think we want to get it to them pack maybe a week or maybe even a week before so they have time to read whatever yes we need to have Mr Slovak hopefully will be at our next meeting and we can discuss it have it on the agenda can I ask just a quick point of order um how are we allowed to distribute this draft without violating any open meeting laws oh you like that one that's a good one I think you and Jim will have to you can work amongst yourselves and come up with the draft and then you send it to me and I will put it in the packet and it will be discussed by the entire group in public open meeting so we have to have it ready for our our next meeting yes sorry madam chair that's I just wanted to clarify that so we don't run a foul which would be next Friday Friday packet that we need to get for our meeting okay got it deadline deadline has been created idea that we would all sign the letter the entire assuming we all agreed to it assuming we all agreed to it Mr Slovac also agrees to it all right Jim we have a deadline Madam chair we're on it thank you thank you for bringing this up and by the way it connects to local may I just make the final connection to the local comprehensive plan which is where you started this conversation 10 minutes ago which is I Susan and I were standing at the uh Community system I didn't say it right the natural no not natural that's not natural community community systems and that if you just as an as an aside the one that had the most stickers was figure out what to do with MES so I just you know shocking the ch right it literally we literally had to go to a second row Madam chair a second row of stickers that's how many stickers anyway I know we haven't even talked about the meeting yet but I just wanted to tie a bow on to Mr sa bring up the issue as it relates to the issue on the agenda local comprehensive Plan update I I guess it's just kind of maybe each of us could kind of talk a little bit about their personal experiences at the open house I thought it went very well I had a lot of really good conversations very people were very interested um they seemed a lot of people very knowledgeable about what was going on in town which is always nice to see um so I haven't seen any of the information back in and and I'm sure BC group is processing um the data that was collected from people um and they're going to be coming uh to the planning board I believe on our November 6th meeting and kind of give you a status update of kind of where we are including a summary of that data um we did have the nice demonstration I think of the um using the mapping so hopefully some people got some good information on that and can readily start doing more of that Madam chair may ask a question when we have the next big meeting meeting which I think is in January and maybe at the similar location I don't know to be determined is it going to be too late to talk about mapping or to use mapping or is that still going to be a good opportunity for people to kind of be really specific I'm only saying that because as we know all politics is local and I do feel like it's hyper local for some people forgetting about the villages I'm talking about intersections traffic lights uh I heard specifically about uh some power poles on Route 6A that some folks were concerned about and I just maybe this is the right opportunity or now between now and November 6th or now and whenever to emphasize that particular tool which I think is incredibly valuable but I also want to make sure that people don't feel like they're shut out if they show up in January and they say you know I really need to talk about this intersection yeah I don't think people will be shut out in January I think we're trying I think what we're trying to do is start collecting as much information as possible um we do do have a meeting with the schools on October 8th uh to go through some of the um topics with them as well and get their kind of input um but we need to start at some point cesing some of these goals and start getting input but people can certainly still at that point saying I really think you should do blank in order to solve this problem and this problem we may not have heard about before um but we need to start looking at at potential solutions to all of the issues and concerns that that people have brought forth and it doesn't mean that and this is macro you know not going to get into we're going to move the utility poll number 6584 on it's not going to be like that so um it's going to need to be more more a little bit more generic or overarching in nature versus very very specific it doesn't mean that we're not going to get to those specific things but those probably don't need to be in the LCP per per se tiny little things they kind of get done as based on everyday T you know public government work uh just talking to people people saying I need something done any any other comments for I mean we were all all of us were there yeah Mr S I just have a couple quick ones um first of all the mapping we have a new communications director in town that should be on our Channel 8 or whatever channel uh to expose more people to it it's a really cool tool to actually play play with and um it can give us a lot of good data if we can get the word out to the community that it's available for for them to use even just easy access through the front page of the town website just but it's a great tool that I think we need to promote somehow at a greater um greater degree than we have the other comment I have a couple comments one I thought the turnout of people was pretty good um lot of familiar faces and a lot of faces that we don't typically see um one thing that I took away a lot of people said to me this is a lot to digest there were a lot of bullets on each thing so um that was one of the biggest things wow there's a lot for me to consider here maybe I should go back and look at something again so I don't know if we can you know put a Readers Digest version together that is uh less detailed or not um the detail is valuable but I think a lot of people felt there was an awful lot to take in and wasn't it drawn sorry madam chair I what I did when people asked me the same question is I a lot of them in their in their hand had a had this had the vision plan which essentially is the summary of what most of those bullet points that were on the physical boards were drawn from so I pointed people because I pointed people to say if you just look at the vision plan and just take that home and let that marinate then unfortunately it's a little bass Awards but what's on the boards will make more sense and maybe in future meetings Mr Sabin that's the best I could come up with because I really felt like I agree with you but also the vision plan I think is where they drew a lot of this board board boards from isn't that right Kathy yes yep and our interviews in in the op space and wck plan the housing production plan all the stuff that we've done was kind of coales and and and kind of redrafted a little bit some of those um and unfortunately it is a lot of information the local comprehensive plan will be a big document that covers literally so many aspects of our community is really hard to not make it too overwhelming and this is something that you know we need to talk with BC group about what what we're doing in January and how we're doing it um and I didn't know whether it might make some sense to have like short little surveys based on each topic like if we're starting to look at some specific um action items and policies and goals for uh say housing or something so then just say here's housing go in and maybe we have how do you rate these simple seven or eight things that we're we're talking about doing the economy here's probably have 15 things that we're doing with the economy but then they can rate does this make sense to you what else do you think we should be doing and then people can go in and and take surveys in the topics that they're concerned about because you have to create bite-sized morsels of the LCP because it can be overwhelming and we don't want people joking on it um so it it is hard and that's why I've been really relying on the consultant because I'm like I don't have a clear understanding on the best ways to get people to in input that and the crowd sourcing maps are great because then if I put a comment in you can say no Kathy you're crazy and give me a thumbs down and Susan can say great great comment and so we can get an idea how the general Community feels about all these different comments that get put in but not everyone is super comfortable doing that um so having the individual meetings um you know and having people come out is is helpful but it's a lot yeah no it definitely is a lot I think one of the things that I took away just going around the room and comments that I had heard from the public was there is there's so much there that there needs to be some sort of Consolidated listed like these are the most important topics that were're concerned about you know the overall it's comprehensive plan but these are what the public are saying if we look at it like for example stormm resiliency I was on the the natural board there and that was you know I was looking I like going in there I mean yeah it's important to all of us but it was one of the top items that people put their tags on and I just think that we can't forget the fact that if that's the most important I'm not talking about that one item if we look at each one of the boards and say you know Wastewater was a huge thing you know mes whatever it is here's our top list that we're trying to you know trying to tackle cuz you're not going to be able to tackle everything at one time on the Kathy on the the boards that I had the the one that got the most comment was communication how the town communicates with with its citizens ties back to what Jim was saying about the commun it wraps around the whole thing we can we can come up with a great pin but if we don't get the ideas out to the citizens um it's meaningless and these are very complex and and a lot of them Crosscut it's hard to talk about open space without talking about Rec a without talking about in the environment and so there's a lot of crosscutting Concepts um and maybe they will maybe they would take some of these large issues like the environment and maybe have a a workshop or have a a separate week where they do something Monday Tuesday every night to to take one of those toopics and flush it out a little bit more I will say the people that showed up there was the crowd was I was I was pleased to see the and the people that were there were very knowledgeable y they really were in they knew exactly what things meant uh they were sort of ranking them yeah this is more important than that so it wasn't like someone a newbie walked in and said what's going on here everyone that I dealt with really understood what the issues were and those are the people that always tend to show up anyway and they did they showed up and they they got very involved yeah and Susan I totally agree the people that showed up at least at my board were extremely informed and there were a lot of people that I'd never met before but I've seen I saw also saw lot of familiar faces the one comment that I'd have and certainly it goes about how do you get some younger people involved I did not see too many young people there and certainly we're trying to look at a comprehensive plan for the town of Yarmouth to take it to Future Generations I'd like to believe we need to get some young people to hear their opinions too yeah that's a that's a tricky one and then I'd like to think that younger people are more comfortable going to things like the online mapping probably um so this is where we're trying to like hit it in mult multiple facets and trying to get the word out doing lots of different things like the police night out and and trying to Hawk some of the Flyers here today if people come and um so we're we're trying to get the word out I don't know whether maybe what you're talking about Jim is is maybe having like a video of someone doing the the mapping and showing people the mapping or just just to Simply put it out there however you put it out there it's been put out significantly that's why I'm asking what so easy to find right it's hard to find media I'm on the friends of yth I'm on a bunch of and don't I don't see it mentioned any and I do think that's Aon Cathy on our own website I think people need to tag it in like from the town website to other things sure Town website's pathetic well right but that's another conversation that I'm hoping we can have it goes to the communication issue right yeah it certainly could live in a more prominent location on the town website yes like a big old button on the front y or something or as soon as do and I can't remember so I have I have to plead some ignorance if you do click through to the local comprehensive plan section of the town website is it very easy and prominently located I think once you get through to it you can find it but you have to get through to it it's very simple to get to it though and that's what I've been really trying to get it's yarmouth.ma us which is I'm sorry that gets us to the town website LCP just put that in your Google search and you will get right there okay and then it shows you so how about the people that don't know what the LCP is that you want to get them out of their curiosity to click you know survey of I mean just the fact that there's a survey if you said LCP like what is that like oh there's a survey what do they want to know about what's going on in town this not to tell you how to run our our don't we have a Communications person I mean don't even get me going about trying to buy a plank on the boardwalk but figured that out today I think you did a great job you bought two so you managed hope you know that you bought two you clicked twice that's what thank you two yeah but but is he sure well because somebody gave me the directions and the directions are distributed at Town Hall they're on the website and again that's yarmouth.ma us planks okay very simple yes I don't I don't know there's not they're not going to give me a button but Kathy you're right the crossposting is important all the Committees and different neighborhood groups that Susan and Mr Savin and others are on you know if you could it is the communication director's job to help build those relationships with those groups to say here's this stuff can you please help share it with your your groups because not everybody thinks of the town website for all kinds of reasons and people sometimes only go to the town website for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with the things that we're talking about here and they don't want to hunt two clicks and that's it if you can't get don't get me started with young people yeah we we are we are at the top these days we are at the top of there's like a ribbon yes at the top and we're on the top yes that's that's what I got there and that's and that's that's valuable real estate on our town website which as Miss Bria has pointed out could use some to go to the top and see that which means go to the town website right which again you get you get that you get Susan's uh feeling about the down website right but but at least if there's ways from the other groups that you're a part of to click through because they say here it is here it is here it is in their newsletters then then it just break it's just one L I do is I send out um information and I ask for it to be posted on social media I don't check I'm told yep all done Kathy I don't see what it is I don't go and search to see what it is um so maybe when that gets done I can let you guys know and you can tag in I mean what what we need I need help from you guys because we're only gonna we have one communications director who's very very busy with Wastewater so what can if we're going to ask her to do something what is the most beneficial and I think obviously what we're already doing um different things like press releases and she did a nice press release for us she did um obviously I do a news item it's on a town website and then social media and then I individually send it out to Civic assoc I do a little blur send it out to Civic associations I ask people to distribute it to people on different committees and Boards yes um I also have a lot of great email lists from the open space and wck plan we have 400 people on our signed up for civic s specifically for this and also the vision plan the library yeah those people those are those people that got yeah they got moved over um so so you know there's there's in the code red thing I think was extremely helpful very grateful to the police to letting that happen numerous people came up to me say some nice lady called me and I said that was me I'm not nice no my wife straight what oh yeah right she said something nice and he had to say um so I think that's one of the thing that was very very effective um with that but it's just hard people are bombarded with so much information I think you just got to encourage people people to share uh there's an individual who came the other night whose name I won't mention but this young lady in our community who I see constantly sharing stuff on Facebook about town stuff great and I'd love to have her sit right here I think she do a great job um it's about sharing it on social media in in all the different spots that we all have so when you see something or when Kathy puts it out maybe part of it needs to be please share this with yes and then whatever the data is but um you know the kids to the young people today you know they're not going to click on the town website to see what's going on no but they're going to read something about you know do the kids get dismissed today early uh which is the Dy website that I see they can find that is today Green Day you know the younger generation who have children are looking at that those sites to get a lot of information speaking of which Kathy the Dy parents Facebook group would be a great place great place because those are younger skewing people who do care about the town I'm using that in Broad strokes and we've also if I if I'm correct Madam chair when we're doing the visioning process we use the school Communications function in order to get the vision plan into backpacks or or at least notifications to the parents what they Carol Woodburry did was they just sent out i' have a brief little little text message saying you know come to the blah blah blah blah for more information and then give them the link click on exactly yeah and so then people could just so they weren't reading a lot but they could go right right to that and I believe they did something similar um right before the open house because I've been coordinating with that oh they did I just you know I ask people to do a lot of stuff and sometimes people will send back saying done Kathy and I say thank you um but a lot of times people just do it and I I don't know they just they're just like oh she's sending me this okay I'll just send you around um and but so it's hard for me to know how much is being disseminated the libraries and the recreation department have a lot of good um email lists and I ask them to blast it out to their email lists um I think the library did that right before the open house so but just respectfully email is not going to get you most people under the age of 40 right so I'm just I get it and I'm into it and I respect it but but that's going to always you older if anywhere so it's just it's just and it's it's email and I think even more and more and more so it's I'm not saying anybody over the age of 40 loves email because if I got no more email for the rest of my life I would be a happy person so it's not just um a matter of putting it on our Facebook it's just having our communications director tapped into all these other Facebooks and then sharing them with a lot of yeah um I might need some help with the list I don't know I'm going to check with her I maybe she's done some of this already and I don't know um but I can definitely look into that such any other uh comments from the meeting I I thought it the open house went well um was was a good turnout um one last comment on it Madam chair I thought that they did a very nice job managing it the BC B yeah I really thought they did a nice job keeping a flow to it you know from there that standpoint so soft drinks and cookies could have been a little better but there's always one Kathy it's always him I know I didn't want to say that he's always the one I thought you've been doing this long enough you always eat before you come to these things so that you don't have to worry well the cinnamon donut holes were really good but I just didn't like the Selsa water I love they're trying to keep you healthy you may have already done this but as our Consultants um have you reached out to them as to in their experience what has worked really well what's the what are the best practices for towns where they've helped with their LCP for this kind of outreach are there things where that have worked elsewhere that we don't know about or we just we've covered everything that is typically covered in terms of Outreach and I think we're recovering everything that's typically I think um you know when you get to social media there's the nuances of is it just is it just getting stuck on our social media or people sharing it so I think that makes the big difference and and I can definitely talk to the communications director about that the select boards one of their priority goals is obviously related to Communications and having a set format for communications um so I think I think we just need to have a process because I'd like to just be able to say here this this this is my my thing and you disseminate you you snip it down to something reasonable you do whatever and and and go I don't mind sending stuff to my email list of people and stuff like that because it gives her a lot of good information to call you know a Facebook page post from um but yeah I think that's interesting I think it's certainly something we can expand upon Madam chair I did have a quick discussion at the end of the meeting they really did like the space of the senior center in fact they said that at some towns they've gone to to you're it's too many people in too small a space to have these kinds of conversations so you end up literally uh on top of each other getting yeah not physically on top of each other but but audio audio orally is that the word yeah um so what they were happy about is there was literally enough space between all the boards and all the different the four different sections that we had so that not only were you not physically on top of each other but you could have separate conversations and it wasn't interfering with anybody else conversation um so it feels like they're big fans of the Arma Senor Center the problem with the Arma Senor Center is um it's not set up like we don't have this kind of set up mean digitally digitally you could you could send someone with a camera and they could record it but it wouldn't be live right um you know and it's a little it's is there another place is there any other physical place besides the Dy auditori like where else could we I mean what other physical locations are there within the town that can do that besides this room that are Town other than the schools and I don't know what's available at the intermediate school but this is it right so I mean so um yeah we don't have a lot of other large meeting rooms with this type of capabilities unless we reset this room but even then it's that gets to the issue what they were saying to me at about the senior center which is this room isn't big enough it depends on the style of the Pres of the of the presentation obviously for an open house where you're kind of have different stations you need it spread out a little bit more we did do that uh here for the open house for the open space and wck plan um but we didn't have anywhere near the number of people that would have been over that would have overwhelmed this room um so we need to talk about that a little bit more and then I had also talked to them a little bit about um they talked about having a hybrid meeting and I'm like well maybe we do something that's similar to what was done for the housing sum where we had the meeting uh in the um Senior Center and it was recorded um but then we had a separate Zoom only remote one so it was a little bit easier so anybody who couldn't make the actual physical meeting this is the time to come online and you can you can do it do it that way if it's easier for you to to participate that way well hopefully in about five years Madam chair there'll be a new library where we could have such a meeting or a renovated one ROV or both both all right let's let me upgrade on technology for sure um I just want to point out one more thing is that BSD group is going to be coming down um for the seaside Festival we're going to have set up a table with the fire department uh we're going to do it on the Saturday which I believe it's the 12th um but if it's rainy crappy day and we think that people aren't going to come we're gonna in 13th Sunday is better we'll do it on on Sunday um we have or something yeah something something along those lines I'm I meet with group every other week so I meet with them next Wednesday and we'll kind of go over that whole um layout and process I'm going to be there for probably four hours of it I'm not going to stay all day but it would be good if maybe some other planning board members might be able to come out and participate is it just the one day or the two days just the we're just going to do one day 12 yes the Saturday if if the weather's good but if it's poor we don't want to hand out stuff and talk to two people I I can come by yeah I can come by have to look well I'll give out more information you know on Friday um oh and then Monday is the holiday I kind of remember that um so we can kind of maybe set up a a shifts of people who are interested okay so Joanne's interested anybody else I'm gonna put it on my calendar but I can't commit to it as I sit here I may be interested to want to put on the calendar going to just double check okay roughly 10 to four that's kind of maybe clarification when you have it yep okay thanks I'm not exactly sure the format and what we're going to be doing but when I'd spoken with them previously about it it was like they were going to try and you get more information out of people from the information from the open house true so maybe they'll try and call that down a little bit so that's it anything else on that uh nope I'm that uh so let's uh jump to meeting minutes may I have a motion to accept the meeting minutes of September 18th so moved second any discussion um all favor I so we didn't have a four on that Kathy yeah 41 that's fine is Susan voting yes I I wasn't here I wasn't here that day 302 it's still it's still pass still okay great okay majority passes it's a majority of the people voting okay um any committee updates I my capital budget we have met with police Wastewater and water um over the last 10 days all the Departments that we met with very well prepared had you know really great presentations to us um you know some items that we had discussions with them where you know there's only a limited amount of money out there U where this money is coming from and understood and you know and as an example we met with police yesterday and they were like couple items they said well we really would like to get this we understand there's limited funds and there's a couple items they were willing to say okay if it has some El to go we these could go um so um next week we're meeting with fire it and schools um so yeah so we got a heavy week next week of meetings and all that so but it's been good it's been all been good the new electronic process is pretty amazing the new electronic process is wonderful from the votings it's it bill bill has it working very seamlessly now from the voting and keeping records and all that stuff and our data input it's fantastic but there's still a lot to the process there is no more binders Madam chair wow binders are gone yeah the binders are all gone any other committee updates um Madam chair um so as I said earlier I'd gone to the selectman's meeting last night um to express my displeasure with us the planning board not being on the mic ke committee but I also had an opportunity to to address um the naming of the drivein sight um the drivein sight committee and Kathy and bet have worked very very hard for a long period of time to create a park that is what our community wanted not just a boardwalk not just a kayak ramp not just a playground not just an event space and for some reason even though we spent a long time looking at names suggested from the community and the drive and sight committee put together a what I considered a very good list of potential names the Tuesday night show decided that they should name the park The Parkers River Boardwalk Park I'm very dissatisfied with that because it is much more than a boardwalk Park this park is going to be a gem for our community that we'll all be very proud of and for it to be referred to as the boardwalk Park frankly is ridiculous and I expressed that opinion to the board of selectman last night again with no response to my comments but um had asked them that they would reconsider either drop in the word Boardwalk or looking at the list of names that that the drive and sight committee gave them in the first place um and and again I I sad to report that I don't think I think their egos are in the way and they don't want to admit that they've made a mistake so we may be stuck with the boardwalk Park which is the dumbest name they could ever have come up with Jim just for clarification purposes the list of names that you gave them that name was not part of that list it was not not Noe just want just wanted a clarification about how many nominate how many names we looked at over hundreds oh over 200 plus petitions uh of individual names um I mean I saw the Historical Society one that came in I don't think presentation I don't think any of them were four names long yeah how many did you actually was there a final from like 10 right four five we gave them four four names got it um they picked up the themes Park Paras River but none of them were four names long and none of them had those two words together exactly and we certainly didn't can you tell us what those four names are excuse me do you know what those four names the top four were um Riverwalk Park um Parkers River Esplanade um Riverside Park Riverside Park and um Parker River Landing Parker River Landing thank you but for them to use the word Boardwalk really to me did it very disservice to the committee and to the work that we have spent years on trying to make sure that we've created a a a property that is a lot of things for a lot of us can I make a suggestion to you J the boardwalk that as we talked earlier about the planning board sending a letter to the select board why doesn't your the committee send a letter well we may just do that I just got back from a tripod I'm just making all I get back what what I'm just making a point to let them know and the funny part is uh I would make a counter I would make an additional motion that says that we should rename Grace Beach Grace Beach Boardwalk well that's because I mean literally if you ask me where's the boardwalk in Yarmouth I'm going to Grey's Beach most people people in fact it's promoted it is promoted by our town as the most gorgeous Boardwalk on the C well maybe not that but it is unbelievable it is it is I'm just saying I don't think we necessarily call it that even though I believe it is so that's the more sort of I won't use the word insulting but um I just did it it actually makes it even worse so when we had Bass River Beach and Smuggler's Beach Until Somebody went to them and said you can't have two beach one beach with two names well now we're going to have two boardwalks and probably said oh the is at the boardwalk exactly I'm at the boardwalk there's nothing going on over here but it's a beautiful sunset because you're at the wrong Boardwalk it's not even called that formally it's just called Grace Beach so or bassole yes why do the public not even going to listen I again we don't meet on Tuesday night so we don't get to have that but complete was of time those were the the two committee things that I have thank you thank you madam chair I have a committee comme I do um I just want to follow up on something positive that came out of the select board meeting last night uh were the contracts approved by the select board for the final contracts for the uh Wastewater phase one including our friend the sewer plant it's been approved and the good news is when you add up all the contracts and you compare it to the 207 million that was approved by our voters thank you very much two or three time meetings ago the final total I think is 205 million in change so really good news and I don't think we should have this meeting end without some good news um so uh there is one second is uh that construction should start I'll just use the terms early in 2025 and uh hopefully we'll be flushing toilets into it by the end of 2027 so when when you hear 2027 please let your mind go to December of 2027 and when people start asking uh when the sewer plant will be online um but our next meeting is not until Monday Madam chair but again I do think there is going to be some sort of public meeting not the business owners facing meeting that we had about two or three weeks ago um which was good and very well attended but I think in more general terms about people learning about hookups and other conversations about traffic and construction and things like that and also I hope to have in two weeks some updates on whether or not the our friends at Mass do are going to consider some extension of the seasonal you know some breaking down of these seasonal barriers that they have in place of there at November 15th to April 15th I mean goodness gracious can I ask you will is that related to when the paving plants close it it has something my understanding it has much more to do with uh plowing it it has all to do with plowing has nothing nothing to do with has nothing to do with Paving there are some other in other genres the paving plants is is an issue but in this particular one it has everything to do with their decision at the beautiful the beautiful state powers that be that November 15th April 15th this snow season last time I checked Madam chair we are not in Fort Kent or Holton uh in northern Maine I believe we are on Cape cot and as someone who's lived in the beautiful state of Maine for four years that would be appropriate that is not appropriate in beautiful sou Eastern Massachusetts um thank you madam chair okay Moving On Moving On Moving on any other committee okay I had a Kathy question is when it's time Madam chair uh we we do have um I'm going to have Kathy do any updates you need to share with us Kathy beyond what you've already shared with us I think the only thing I would say is we're doing a big push on the plank sales we want to sell 200 by Halloween hey Jim bought two of them I have sold there's seven today so I did a big push I did a big push I saw you not yeah so I did I did a big push this morning and again how many are sold to dat seven or um probably so far 35 oh okay yeah and 35 you know that's you know that's like 165 what like I don't know 12 13,000 that's great so we sell the 200 that's $70,000 just at 350 we've sold a couple one uh business and one um nonprofit so they're they're more expensive so it's a great Christmas gift it is a great Christ great way to memorialize somebody that you love and care who may have left yes and we also have some awesome new Drone footage on our YouTube channel and on the front page they got a button uh for the Drone footage see that yeah that was just taken yesterday by Ellie Lawrence she's very lovely and went out and took another it's very interesting to see it's great the Drone because you can see everything well you showed it to us a month ago and it was amazing yeah and now it's even more amazing more amazing it it's really I assure you you're all going to be very proud of this property when we're done what is the again what is the general timetable on the Park have one we make it up this I'm saying General we still have to bid out the restrooms and that's been lagging a little bit so everything it's just because it's built it's bit out in a different way with files up bids and the difference between the transer the collection system in the in the facility I got it um but this the hope is still that it will the whole park including the restrooms will be completed by August of 2025 oh wow I was okay I was my head was going to 202 they're cranking Robert B is doing amazing job for the best you're gonna love it it's GNA I can't wait they're GNA start you know they're doing some um load testing now on the boardwalk but that's going to actually think they're gonna start construction by the end of the month I mean it'll be too late for next summer but I'm already thinking about doing some kayak doing some work doing some Camp stuff where we launch our kayaks that would be we should have kayaks from there and go on a kayaking trip and we could have a big Labor Day thing if if it's if you get it open have that as an noral weekend actually a gentleman came and stopped by and was asking about having a vendor there so he wanted to be a vendor so it was interesting you to do food truck the kayak vendors oh similar to the ones at the bridge that be a great idea you go down to the one at BNB Fairgrounds places packed and you know you can't get to Falmouth from here so let's do the food trucks here yeah they have a huge one over in fouth too right but that's you can't get there from no but I think we should have our own we should definitely have our own yeah yeah yeah that would be great like to fill the dreams build it and they will come will come especially exactly right will come you had something Mr chair uh I did I just want to follow up Kathy mentioned the meeting with the school committee part of the LCP process that is on the 8th at 11 or 10 or 9 or 12 11:30 it's it's it's with the um the superintend and the chair of the school committee and where is that myself it's it's here in room a on the eth on the 8th at 1130 to one I think I I gotta double check because if if if anybody has not yet I would re highly recommend they tune in about minute 45 of last night's select board meeting where there was a long discussion about our friends at the Massachusetts school building authority of which I had the interesting opportunity to work with with as part of the Intermediate School plan and and then eventual award and what they what their opinion is as opposed to what the select board and the town of Yarmouth may think in terms of what the future of madak even wixon sorry not even wixon mes and Ezra Baker and station AB like there's there's a big conversation to be had and I'm not saying that's what's going to happen on the eth but there's just a lot of conversations to be had um and uh that's why I wanted to know what that meeting was more focused on um but I suggest if you haven't to watch minute 45 to about 65 of last night's select board meeting because um a couple of the select board members rightfully educated the school superintendent on some of the history of what happened in 2015 16 17 18 and 19 and I think he has over the last two times he's been in front of the say was he he learned it two two meetings ago but I think he's continuing to understand and I will say um it's nice to hear that there is even the idea of starting to talk to our friends in Dennis because they are our friends and they are part of the school the the school district it is a combined School District um regardless of the percentages it's still a combined School District so I'm happy to hear that that meeting will happen also wanted to follow up Madam chair on this very exciting thing I heard about from Kathy called an app a town of Yarmouth app have you heard no it doesn't exist yet but apparently it's in the works yes that's my understanding anything else that you can tell us no because it's on but it is on the horizon they just signed the contract related to it you did their gym yeah so it is working on it you feel like it's before 12:31 I think possible yeah well again another opportunity to promote something that could be valuable especially to folks let's just say under the age of 40 Madam chair thank you anything else Cathy anything else uh we'll just do quick update on upcoming meetings we talked about the seaside Festival talked about October 8th I'll be joining you for that yeah um and anyone else who wants to join for that it's 11:30 to1 in room a on the eth on the eth do my best school committee one yeah school committee superintend that's our next regular meeting is the 16th um anything well we have one thing we know we'll be doing is committee assignments for sure um and also the draft of our letter letter in the for that beyond that Kath and then just whatever we want to decide uh on the draft letter to the board is selected the Y and then about a week later we meet with the board of the select board on the zoning articles the 29th the 29th yes it's the I'm sorry the 29th I'd like to get I'm on vacation the week of the 21st except I gotta go to capital budget what do you want cath it's my birthday so keep that in mind all right she get get vacations yeah I know they actually let us have vacation use the restroom actually Lun bre I think I have you as part of my go to the drive-in site that's where she's taking her vacation that's should be her present is she gets to name the drive-in site is that what she said to I would have loved that name the driver side all the work she's put into it it would have been the Riverwalk Park right it's very easy to type now I have to go what is it Parker's River Boardwalk just takes me longer to type it out just terrible to State already isn't the state already using the term riverwalker not GIS m g mapping yeah they wanted to put their own their own stamp somebody wanted to on Tuesday nights and got the others to go along with this that I mention okay uh then we have the update with BSC on November 6 and then uh again just a reminder on special town meeting uh the 19th we meet on the 20th Madam great I'm sure we're scheduled to scheduled I would like to think that we could take a break we already have had a meeting on the 19th but it's up to I understand I'm sorry I got it there there is a slight possibility I will not be able to attend town meeting um but I I know it'll be in good hands so uh we'll be there great uh anything else okay so I may I have a motion to adjourn so move T any discussion all in favor I oh boy hi thank you who else said they weren't going to be at town meeting just so I ready I'm sorry I have a work that's fine