##VIDEO ID:AG7yU1mcxaI## work a little quicker than we think I think so I hope so good evening everybody Welcome to the regularly scheduled meeting of the yamama zoning board of appeals today's date is December 12th 2024 we have six matters on our agenda tonight first matter is petition 5063 the harbor Club yes we can board doing business as tugboats restaurant the property is located in a r25 zoning District uh they are here for a oneyear review per condition five of a decision number 5063 dated February 5th 2024 allowing entertainment live music at the restaurant good evening even how are you Mr chairman well could you identify yourself please yes I'm Steven pudi I represent the harbor Club Inc Mr Kirker to my left Ted zamb Bellis to my gentlemen say like s o'clock um first of all let let me say it's amazing that a whole year went by it seems like it was just yesterday and uh all summer long they operated and um they actually did a good job I think you have a couple letters in there do then uh there were no complaints to the to the uh police department which was your primary concern last year you wanted us to report any reports um for noise or whatever cuz that's really we had actually had a couple that had in our file but it's uh not really many and certainly not out of the ordinary for running a busy restaurant and what goes on there in that particular place also may have been from the other business that runs on the place as well but go ahead I'm sorry yeah no I think that's pretty much it there's really not much else to say other than they've operated they've respected their neighbors um I think that they've done a good job uh um basically with the uh parking with the with the traffic uh there's not much more that they could do at this point to really make it as accommodating for the uh for the abutters and we went through this all last year and exhaust you know as much as we possibly could yep oh no no so um is there anything else you'd like to add at this time I don't think so I'm going to go to the board with any questions anybody have any questions John do you have any questions um I do just a the the conditions we applied in the last petition any issues with any of them did they restrict you we did not really have any problem adhering to those restrictions this past year okay so you wouldn't be averse to keeping those in place and and moving forward I don't think that the be any issue with that thank you that's all I have Barbara do you have any questions no no questions okay Jay just quick one go ahead I just an quick estimate I mean how I know it was going to be infrequent you talked about use about how many times did you actually have music and how often and um type of thing first of all there's there's music all the time with the with the the U from TVs and Sonos I meant more you're talking about live entertainment it was in free quent infrequently I think if there was one thing that was inconvenient it was in what was inconvenient was upstairs remember how they limited it with no amplification up there that was that if there could be any um maybe yielding on the uh conditions it would be upstairs that's the single person upstairs yeah that was a little inconvenient not being able to have any amplification up there I would ask if it's possible to be able to utilize amplification upstairs just the types of events you talked about possible weddings or just general events what what kind what kind of events we've had an Entertainer up there where he tries to tell jokes and everybody laughing and that sort of thing no I mean in general too I mean it's did you have have you been running weddings now up you talked about weddings or parties that's that's okay okay that's okay that's all I had just wondered what kind and how often thanks dick do you have any questions no not really I'm comfortable with the with the circumstances okay we do have two letters of support basically they read the same way one is from maren Ryan of 8 Newbery Street the other one is from Ann Simeon of 138 bayw Street both of them were appreciative of the democratic process they attended the December 23 hearing meeting um a year later that they can say that I support these specific limitations want to make sure they continue honestly we could on occasion hear music from tugboats during the summer but it was within reason and manageable it was not a daily situation and not an ongoing disruptive issue they were correct way to allow the business to offer some live music for patrons and to protect the quality of life the surrounding neighborhood and citizens thank you for your consideration that's Marine Ryan essentially we have the same thing from the other lady I think those are the only two letters we have in our packets um answer your question about uh the uh Amplified music upstairs I think you'd have to file a petition to modify that special permit this is here really just for a review of the that's fine conditions that we have if sometime you want to come back in the future and talk about that we'd be more than happy to that's fine is there anything else you'd like to add I don't think so is anyone here on this petition seeing none anybody online for this petition no Mr chairman okay uh is everybody satisfied that uh the conditions have been met you need to make a motion no we just make a motion just to make a motion to uh to approve the review and uh no need to have additional ones no have a second to that a second any discussion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying I I I any opposed hearing none we're all set thank you for coming by and luck quick and easy nice to see you all nice to see you nice seeing you the next matter is petition 5133 Rose vaner property located at 17 Allison Lane West jth Mass it's in an r25 zoning District sit down from this one oh I see okay um this is a continued hearing yes hi uh from 92624 10 2424 the applicant seeks a special permit per 104.3 point2 subsection 2 Andor a variance from section 203.50 for side and reia setback relief to build a 16 by2 shed the applicant requests a waiver from the requirement for a certified plot plan less than two years old good evening good evening um first of all I should correct that I messed up the measurement of that shed okay which by the way is already built yeah we know that yeah I'm being honest we've been by to see it it's an8 by 20 um I talked to edstone a number of times in November we went back and forth I have it on my phone and I he was he thought that what he had done at 18 which is where I live I don't live at 17 I live at 18 my daughter and her kids are 17 so we went back and forth and I thought oh great this is good I'm going to be able to do this and then I said no no you're no no you came to 18 when we did the septic and he said oh I can't I couldn't get there to look at it if I tried no less do a survey I was like okay so now I'm stuck I called um I have have a friend who's a manager in one of the Cumberland Farms and her husband John I don't even know their last name he is a surveying fella and she was going to give him the message whether Karen did or not I don't know I don't I didn't hear from him so I've been trying to get this plot plan so that we can just where it is and I did a little Rosy thing here well that's not going to be we talked about it mom that is not gonna come I tried the other thing that I have not done which I thought I did was fill out this Express shed permit I have not done this yet okay my grandson said Nan if it's a big problem I'll just take off what I have to take off of it and make it to size he said I'm I'm sorry I'm doing this to you and I'm said well look I was so happy you were building it because you're going to get your stuff put away and I'm going to be excited and across the street so that's where we are it's still there can't somebody come take a look help me measure it well there's a couple things here first of all we need to know where it is and it's larger so I'm not sure what size do you say this is it is an 8 by 20 okay well you you're over the 150 square ft limit so you'd have to comply with the actual setbacks it's in the rear of the property correct the rear yes it is it's that would mean need to be at least 20 ft off oh it would H it would be 20 it would need to be that unless you were in here seeking a variance well that's what I thought we were well I know but we we asked you for a certified plot plan doesn't sound like you have one no sorry so you could do you could do a couple things here we could take a vote and I don't think you're going to win okay that would prevent you from coming back for two years you could ask us to allow you to withdraw it without prejudice which would allow you to get a certified plot plan and come back might not stop you from an enforcement action by the town but that's their department and not ours uh or your grandson could cut off what he said from the shed bring it down to under 150 and I think it's 6 fet you'd have to be off then yeah it's 5 and a half from the rear and it's seven and a half from the sideline we wouldn't know that we've been over this three times now we're looking for a certified plot plant so what's your pleasure I don't know well you suggest I postpone it for two years well I don't I don't know that I don't know how the others feel on the board but my vote would be no and you need four so you need all four of us so even if they all voted yes you still wouldn't win so I think what you may want to consider doing is asking us to allow you to withdraw it without prejudice and then you could go back and maybe get a surveyor and then refile and come back and see us again or take it down or that's your that's your other option take it take it take down what's there and well at least reduce it enough to come to the six feet or so you're under the 150 and then you'd only have to be six feet off your your setbacks okay so do you want to withdraw your without prejudice okay anyone prepared to make a motion to allow her to withdraw the matter without prejudice so moved second second any discussion on the matter hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying I I and that would be withdrawing both forms of relief your request for a special permit and a variance did you ask for both I only see a uh I I see both forms of relief so that would be on both forms of relief the special permit and the variance even though you really just need a variance on that what you're asking us for if you came back again it may be special per measurements in the right position and so on and so forth yay okay Merry Christmas all right merry Christmas thank you very much you have a nice night uh the next matter we have is petition number 5147 Christopher Wilson property located at 16 Denver Drive West gouth Mass it's an an r25 zoning District the applicant seeks a variance [Music] from the applicant speak seeks a variance from section 41.114240 for yearr round use the applicant requests a waiver from the requirement for a certified site SL plot plan less than 2 years old good evening sir Hi how are you good could you identify yourself for the record yep my name is Chris Wilson okay Mr Wilson I have a question for you before we get started here um I know there's a lot going on with this property okay this is the first time it's been before us um and there's an action in the court against a Brian Wilson who's Brian Wilson my uncle you're Brian Wilson okay um and you're the owner of the property sir co-owner co-owner and you're Christopher Wilson yes are you an owner of the property no well I think the problem that we have going forward is I don't think you have standing to ask for Relief I think he does but about I a co owner well I I understand that but I don't have that on the petition I only have his name if either one of your names was on there we could address it okay but unfortunately we don't so I I don't think we can go forward with this tonight how's that then what do we do how does that work what do we do well uh this matter would be dismissed for lack of standing okay you're not a proper party in interest to ask for Relief I see only the owners can now if they want to refile and come back in again we'd certainly be happy to hear that okay okay awesome yeah you can't ask for Relief as a tenant no uh may I speak well since you're an owner briefly but I'm I won't hear from anyone else but yes Mr Wilson go ahead and you can come to the microphone or come on up to the table there multiple violations on the property well we're not here to address any violations okay the only thing we're to address is the request for Relief the violations would be in the building department for any zoning violations any health the health department also well the health department would be the health department would deal with that we only deal with the zoning and uh like I said here he doesn't have standing to go forward okay so I think what we're going to do tonight is uh we're going to dismiss this petition for lack of standing of the petitioner if an owner one of the owners or both of the owners want to come back seeking relief uh for what is prayed for in this petition we'd be more than happy to hear from it then okay awesome all right thank you very much for coming thank you appreciate it thank you oh she wants to stamp back we we received it so may that one how come I don't get the stamp over here I get the cupcakes with no stamp oh I had the stamp I just brought it over St oh oh thank you make sure we don't oh there you go thank you very much oh yeah you might want to keep your copy there stuff in here wa record there is don't bother that's uh we just wait for everybody to leave um this one is uh the other two guys owned it contined the next matter on our petition is petition number 5148 sandala Customs LLC property location at 90c viav unit 3C South Yarmouth it's in an r25 zoning District the applican a special permit per 104.3 point2 to expand a pre-existing non-conforming use to add a 19 by3 by 1111 screened in porch to the back of the unit is there anyone here on that matter tonight uh Mr chairman we did receive a letter this morning requesting a continuance to January 9th if that's possible how many do we have on January 9th we do have five um but it's possible another one might also request a continuance at that one so it might what do we have after that January 23rd also has five and then after that it'll be February 13 is somebody here tonight to sign an extension um they they are not but we could we ask them to sign an extension when's the 65 days up I don't I don't know if my head now make that a condition that it was 12 1212 is the date it was filed yeah that was that the time was that the date that it was filed about I don't know when it's clocked 10 yes 121 12 that's the date of the hearing there should be in from the town clerk right at the top of the application Mr fre pre oh yeah October 15th October 15th yeah that's um be be anything's Beyond the GU then we have five on right now for both January meetings do and there is potential for one of those petitions to request a continuing so that might open up a slot oh all right I'll tell you what why don't we continue them over to the uh the first one January 9 the January 9th on the condition that they come in and sign an extension agreement if they don't the matter is dismissed okay want to make that motion yeah let's make a motion to that append so motion to motion to motion to continue to January 9th is it 2025 2025 um on the condition on the condition that they come in and sign an extension otherwise it'll be dismissed you have a second to that motion second any discussion hearing none all those in favor please say I I oppose hearing none that cares unanimously okay and just something okay moving right along yeah I'll get you all home before the ball game starts I'm for cooking time for cupcake for how do you know we're I'm gonna call yours probably am which one come on up okay um next is petition 5149 capewide construction prop Inc property is located at 75 Massachusetts AV West J with mass it's in an r25 zoning District the applicant seeks a special permit per 104.3 point2 point2 Andor a variance from 203.50 for side setback relief to increase the height of a pre-existing non-conforming single family dwelling in the required setbacks good evening gentlemen good evening uh ladies and gentlemen uh Roger Brooks from I just mov capewide construction here should we shut one of these off sure shut one everyone you want uh Roger Brooks from capewide construction here with the owner Scott mcken at 75 Massachusetts Avenue um okay you said we're seeking a special permit or a variance if you feel that's appropriate uh essentially we want to lift the house up it's an existing non-conforming structure we want to raise it to comply with FEMA uh get it out of the flood zone uh we're going to be adding a front porch because we need some more steps we've got some additional area um and we've averaged the setbacks of the two adjacent properties uh that calculations on the plan okay um the did you say that you setback average did you setback average the the porch uh right that allowed us to get the PCH put the porch in at 23 versus 30 corre okay and we'll be plus or minus one step depending on exactly where the grade is okay um the uh owner has already removed the shed from on top of the septic system we had actually applied for a building permit this had already gone through conservation once and that order conditions had expired we going back through conservation again been approved again with this plan at this time just know special permit to elevate for house in the front Okay question are you is the main house staying within the existing footprint yes it's literally moving up other than the proposed porch on the front and the proposed porch okay and they have to be at a minimum four feet out from the front I think by code don't they uh we would need a minimum platform but because we're going up higher you need more because of this get down all right and so you're you're finished at 231 and you're setback averaging the houses on either side of you I see the house to your left right here um that actually looks like it's right in line with your proposed porch well they say 27 but you probably couldn't tell the difference oh that your steps come little fur your porch looks like it's just about there okay so you got a couple steps that are coming out to make a 23 that's maximum steps that we building next door is only 13 what's that this one's only 13 yeah the house next door is very CL they're very close to the road if you've been over there that it it's it's pretty tight I don't think there's going to be any plans to expand massab over there widen it uh but it's plenty wide right now Lane I question on the septic have you been to Board of Health and everything as far as the septic uh Health had offered some comments when we applied for a building permit uh their own major comment was um get the shed off of the septic tank and it's been done the the dwelling in the back is that the shed is that I can't tell you how long I've been over in that area over there and I've never even noticed that house behind I've driven by this both built in the late 40s early 50s pre both preate zoning yeah okay you own them both yes okay are they both on the same deed yes sir okay so where where was the shed on the property District it was uh you can see it right in the corner right here okay I see yeah I see I see we're talking where the proposed deck is going to be now right is it going to remain a two-bedroom yes okay so really just building a new house put it up in the air a little getting near FEMA requirements not knocking down the house we're going to it up up it's on a right now it's failing in places so oh yeah be looking at it it looks like it needs a little work over there you're not add a second floor or anything like that or finishing the second so it's just tight yeah okay why don't we go to the board for some questions is that all you want to say right now okay J any questions for the petitioner I don't have them uh yeah would seemed to me that the porch in front which is a structure uh would appear to be whatever 207 feet or something from the street 26 27 and uh which would mean you need relief on that if you wanted that porch within the front setback because on the application you're only asking for a uh to increase the height of the pre-existing single family dwelling and the required setbacks so to add the porch no not to add the porch but to average the setbacks oh okay setback okay averaging setbacks bring you okay I get it uh yeah the budding building is pretty close and they built we still have the pictures in the file that's fine yeah yeah okay well that covers that question I have and the stairway in the back I mean that side there is not coming any Clos closer than what's there apparently with the deck or anything and two opposed to 10 one in the front so you're a little further back than what's existing in the existing structure I guess um septic tank apparently goes under that stair wheel a little bit under that we'll have Sona tubes around it right all right I guess I got nothing else uh just to confirm so the new height will be roughly 23 feet that right the new setback I'm look oh the new height the height of the new height will be at uh elevation the new height will be to the ridge from average existing grade is 21 foot six and a half I'm sorry could you repeat that 21 foot 6 and a half it's on the front elevation on sheet2 okay yeah so you're well under anyway so that's fine thank you F no questions no questions okay so your uh one question go ahead um are you're going to raise it up and it's gonna be a firm foundation is that what it is concrete foundation concrete and are you gonna put anything on the sides of the concrete to kind of dress it up at all or uh was had not been discussed at this point I'd like at some point to have a a fake Stone um yeah yeah I don't like to I don't like to look at regular cement so in the future i' the fake Stone on the side that or what is it we we recommend in the past well what we have done generally in this neighborhood is require that that be covered with something a lot of people are going with the horizontal shiplap with the Nickel board there at the white you've seen that or they go with a vertical natural something like that um if you want to do something with with a uh some type of a stone veneer we're fine with that um but we uh we generally require that that's covered so you there is a requirement in the byw require it as a condition the board yeah my neighbor had it done last 10 years ago she just recently put Stone on his cement but it was cement up until a couple years ago is that well this is a condition that we put on the board because we have to look at this in terms of is it going to be substantially more detrimental to the neighborhood and having a lot of exposed aesthetically we try to make it look nice same page that don't want my house to look bad okay so we can come up with whatever you whatever you decide that's fine with us we just want you to is there an amount of concrete that like is there something we can go look at or is it just we got to cover it uh when you say go look at well like is there a a definition somewhere that we can read or will it just telling you that all all exposed concrete's got to be covered all four sides yeah is that I'm just trying to learn is that so any new house not in a flood zone or only when it's been elevated well when you're when you're elevating it up generally we require it on if you look around the neighborhood that what's been done I've done other work in the neighborhood it's a nice neighborhood so so we only really we we require that generally as a condition just to protect everybody and keep everything looking nice up there I mean you're in a very expensive neighborhood down there I mean I'm looking my house no and when you finish this this is going to be a very expensive home even though it's not a big home it's going to be expensive you're right down there on the water valise yep there you go we might make you put a few more bucks in it but you'll get that back uh is there anything else you'd like to add gentlemen any other questions from the board anybody here on this petition that wishes to speak in favor or in opposition so please come to the microphone seeing none um if you have nothing left we'll close it for board discussion and uh we we Clos it to the public hearing and begin board discussion is anybody prepared to begin a discussion or make a motion I'm I'm fine with what they want to do I don't think it's a big a problem at all but I do think we need to get the condition in there that we always use okay y dick what do you think well I'm good I don't have anything John yeah same here yes um you know again um it's a reasonable request we have everybody that's coming down in the flood zone you got to raise that up for FEMA standards and uh unfortunately you got to get up in the air so we try to make the neighborhoods look as good as possible and we think this is a way to do it and I think your request is reasonable I don't think that you're going to be more substantially detrimental than what's there now so I do think you meet the criteria for special permit I don't think you need a variance so we will ask you in a few minutes to withdraw that request um so having said that um anybody prepared to make a motion um I'll be happy to make a motion to uh approve the special permit as presented in the in the uh plans as well as with a condition that uh the siding be put on the cement Foundation okay so we're going to cover the foundation with some type of a siding or veneer yes okay is there a second to the motion second second any discussion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying I I I any opposed hearing none that passes unanimously now you also ask for variance relief you don't need it um so what we need to do is we have to address that if you walked out of here and we didn't do anything 65 days from whenever you filed that uh petition you'd automatically be granted a constructive approval I know so so what we're going to ask you to do you don't need that relief you can granted a special permit so we would like you to ask to withdraw that without prejudice which means if you have a need of variance you can come back we hereby withdraw without prejudice our requests for variance okay is there a motion to allow the petitioner to withdraw the request for variance without prejudice yeah okay we have a second to the motion second second all those in favor please sign by saying I I any oppos hearing none okay gentlemen uh once the decision is written it'll be clocked with the town clerk 20 days must elapse that's a technical appeal period I don't think anybody's going to appeal us after that period is over with you come in and see Dolores she'll give you your special permit you need to go over and register uh record it at the registry of deeds and bring a copy back for our file any questions okay good luck with your project have a wonderful evening thank you yeah all right the next matter on our petition is petition number 5150 sinorama property's located at 12 whes path in South Yarmouth in a B1 APD in zone 2 the applicant seeks a special permit for a 30313 Andor variance from 303.5 point5 subsection 3 to allow a second attached sign good evening sir good evening Mr chairman would you identify yourself for the record please I'm Robert Schwartz the owner of s okay and so just so I understand what you want to do I know where you're at um do you have this sign in place right now or is this going to be a new sign this one right here that's the sign ofama sign that sign is in place there there are two units that I that I lease uh the second unit has a sign that's been up there for 25 years it looked pretty bad okay so the one that's over to the right you want to just replace that one replace it and I gave a copy of um my proposal of what I would like to put in place just a list of our services okay okay all right all right um if that's all I'm going to go to the board for any questions they might have Barbara do you have any questions um so it's going to be the same size essentially as the other one yeah they light boxes the whole strip has the same size light boxes so it's it'll stay within the same same okay all right on John in what's that 72 by 24 yeah yeah I don't have any questions okay so so you have two signs today because you have two units is that why correct and this one is already I drove by today this one's already here the sign aam ass sign that one is already I had I had replaced it um a few months ago received a permit for that yep need a special permit for the second side so really what you want to do is change the other sign to provide services it just list our services same size as the old s same size same uh same box no changes to that yeah okay um not sure if we usually have Services listed but all set okay dick so you're here for the fact that it's one ownership and you're trying to get two signs or you're or the sign is oversized for the unit it's there now no they each I rent um they're connected now but I had I least two separate units um six and seven right in that strip right both of those have light boxes the first light box is set first light box say sorama right the second light box has some I don't even know what it is it was put up 25 years ago at some sort of a painting or something um so it serves of no purpose uh it and what I wanted to to do it's a backlit sign it's just a list of our service there a sign that's there now on the right hand unit uh isn't signor Amor at all right no it's not okay it's not so you're combining two units to make one uh business what is it the same business same business yeah same business it's already two units that are connected so I'm just trying to think how that Works uh whether there should be only one sign there if it's one business bigger sign should be just one sign because you have them on the same um the same facade now what we've done in the past is we have given relief to similar businesses that have requested that I'll give you the latest one that we gave relief to was over here at Ryan family amusements remember when they wanted to put that second one up they wanted to balance it for aesthetic purposes I think you have something really similar right here because I think if we would to deny that it might make the building look a little odd and plain and not balanced so it it to me it looks very similar to what we allowed over there and I do think this is going to be variance relief too by the way not a special permit yeah okay this comes under the business centers that would you to put it um well it might come under business centers but I'm just saying that it's I mean I mean typically one sign on the same side it's it's not allowed yeah so we've done it for Stop and Shop we did it for Shaws uh we we've done it quite a few places around town it's it's a fact specific to the petitioner I don't think we have a blank rule one size fits all we have to look at this and make a judgment whether it's a reasonable request typically I would think that you know one you know you'd be able to put a sign like between the two units in the middle between the two units they could be bigger uh on the other hand is was just stated I think pretty much I think uh it looks better this way because you have the you know the doors if each business yeah kind of similar similarly sized and so forth on the front so I think it it does make more sense for this to be two signs anyways and be consistent with the rest of the right guess that's all I got J barabra yeah I agree okay J anything further me what are your thoughts think it makes sense it does it makes it kind of balanced throughout the whole through the whole facility so and I think where that's not permitted in the bylaw that it's it's better granted as a variance and I think that if we were to Grant the variance it wouldn't dagate from the purpose and intent of to bylaw I do think it might represent a hardship to the petitioner if he's not able to advertise over there what he's because it it does kind of look like even though it's sinor it looks like he's doing things in one side and something different over here maybe more retail on the left hand side versus more business and exactly right okay to the right hand side so um I I do think uh you know that we're on Solid Ground rent and a variance for this so I don't think it falls on a special permit so is anybody prepared to make a motion I'll make a motion to approve a variance petition 5150 as requested okay and as represented by the uh pictures that were submitted by the petitioner that would be correct okay so we'll enter that as an exhibit just to show what you're going to put there okay we have a second of that motion well second second okay uh any discussion on the motion hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying I I I all those opposed hearing none that carries unanimously Ive also asked for special permit uh relief we would ask that you request to withdraw that without prejudice you don't need it you can come back anytime if you think you need a special permit okay okay so we have a request to withdraw without prejudice the request for special permit we have a motion to that effect so MO got uh double Mo we got double motion makers over here okay Jay's uh Jay's relinquish to the second spot on that any discussion on that hearing none all those in favor please signify by saying I I and he opposed hearing none um that's granted so there's a 20-day appeal period after the decision is clocked in with the town clerk after that 20 days elapses over and see our Administrative Assistant DOR to give you the special permit take it over to the registry of deeds and just record it and bring a copy back to us thank you okay thank you very much thank you boy have a nice holiday Merry Christmas you too de um before we adjourn tonight I would like to uh recognize our friend fellow board member and chairman Steve D young that we're all aware Steve is recently his resignation to the board uh due to some personal health reasons of course course we're all going to miss him okay and uh I do want to thank him for his many years of service on this board as well as other boards in town and we only wish him the best healthwise definitely yeah we hope if he's uh in the neighborhood from time to time that he'll come in and stop and see us and uh if we are uh having any type of a social get together that we do have from time to time that uh he will certainly come and join us and uh if he does uh and if he's listening uh I'll be picking up the tab you don't have to put down that American Express card that you used to so uh used to so do um but that yeah um so again thank you Steve for all of your service and I know the people from the town appreciate it and Happy Holidays happy holidays okay if there's nothing else uh we make a motion to approve the minutes for for October November 14th do we have a motion to approve the minutes so move second second all those in favor please say I I any oppos hearing none those the only minutes those the only minutes Mr chairman okay I do we have a motion to adjourn to adjourn second second all those in favor please say I I any opposed no one's opposed joury okay well there you go